Epic fail!!!!!

[Duster]

Quote: Originally Posted by nkeen07

Put drain holes in the bottom of your box. I did at the front 2 corners of my FuelATV box and I've never had problems w/submerging the filter...even when power washing. I know you'll most likely say this will hurt your water-fording abilities, but the fact is that it's a KFX450 sport atv and if you're going to be going through water that deep it's not the quad you should be on anyways. An outerwears would have prevented this even further, as I said. It wasn't an epic failure b/c it was a learning experience. I know that you're testing the oil, and that's awesome that you're trying a different route, but the fact is that you can't run that type of element off-road w/o having an outerwears on it...plain and simple.

All I and everyone else are saying is that you need to stop saying we're all lying about our set-ups. Honestly, you would think that you'd understand that after so many people say they're good, that you'd maybe start believing. I can't speak for FCI's set-up b/c I've never owned one, but I can say that the FuelATV set-up w/box has worked great for me this season...and we've had some crazy creek crossings and horrible conditions. YES...like I've said MULTIPLE times, there is stuff that gets into the box, but it's nothing that the Outerwears can't take care of. NOONE ever said they were an impenetrable box...noone (You are the one who said it...and we all corrected your understanding).

Get upset w/me all you want, but all I'm saying is that you really aren't in a position to bash on other companies products that you haven't run, both in the flow and cleanliness departments when it comes to intakes. Sure...everyone has a right to an opinion b/c that's what forums are about, but an opinion about something you know nothing about is different and unnecessary.

Keep up the work on your set-up. I, and I'm sure everyone else, would like to eventually see what your final product is. Like I've said every time, I think it's looking good and seams to be a great start.

It had a few different size drain holes in the bottom I was messing with. I had the plugs in my pocket and plugged it up for the one creek crossing, as it was deep... a good ways up on the box.

I later on took some of them out as I figured those were good places to suck dust in from. But heck, those got clogged right up... I had to pull the others and try to get it drained on out.


Like I was just telling DirtyDawg... an outerwear would not have saved anything.
Like I said, I'll try to get a detail pic... the filter collapsed.
It would have passed the outerwear too.

And just like I told him, had it been you, you would have been done right there.
Swamped filter on top, filter submerged in a good inch and a half of muck on the bottom...
I think it's pretty clear how that movie ends.



Anyways now.... you feel free to point out a major difference here between that box blank and your Fuel ATV box that would have made the muck entry results any different....


As for the FAB-1 oil... I'd recommend you try it.... especially if you are really running a K&N and not an S&B. It can really make up for a lot of what the K&N lacks in filtering ability. It's worthy to try, especially since K&N oil is not really the least bit waterproof either.

[Duster]

Quote: Originally Posted by nkeen07

Put drain holes in the bottom of your box. I did at the front 2 corners of my FuelATV box and I've never had problems w/submerging the filter...even when power washing. I know you'll most likely say this will hurt your water-fording abilities, but the fact is that it's a KFX450 sport atv and if you're going to be going through water that deep it's not the quad you should be on anyways.


Keep up the work on your set-up. I, and I'm sure everyone else, would like to eventually see what your final product is. Like I've said every time, I think it's looking good and seams to be a great start.

I think you will like the one of 3 I have coming... which is a layout I did a while ago, which is strictly for racing only... "fast pace REQUIRED"....

I nicknamed this one the "Race Duct"...

It's the one I borrowed my height from for the last box blank, so it's easy to just edit a picture of it since I don't have any of this setup...

Can be ran with the relief valve lid or with no lid at all... with outerwear of course...
But the whole layout REQUIRES that you be hauling arse...
So that anything that gets in comes right back out...
And if you submerge it with the lid on the relief valve opens easier than water can be sucked up into the filter...

The picture is self-explanatory...

[Duster]

I went ahead and gave the Race Duct box it's own thread if anyone wants to discuss that...
http://www.kfx450hq.com/forums/engin...html#post59265

[Duster]

And I have now been back in the shop... and I think I have came up with a SOLUTION.

I have another blank built as a base to add on to, and I think you will be impressed with my ingenuity when it comes to solving problems. I hope I've solved the gunk entry issue and I have a really promising solution to the heat problem as well.

I've also made 2 new filter selections to run comparisons.

[johnnyboy]

Mmmm all very interesting! cant believe that filter passed all that crap, I have just cut up a honda 400 foam filter, shortened it 40mm and reglued as it fits the FCI intake and I am going to test this to see just how much crap I can get in the FCI, I never see anything like that in my box and I damn sure the outerwears helps but not that much so hence the foam filter mod just to put this arguement to bed once and for all

[ish416]

After seeing your setup, I was thinking that adding a KN Powerlid type setup to the top of your box along with an outerwear on both the internal filter and to the top of the powerlid. So then you would have water protection from the top down. If the powerlid got wet, hopefully the top outerwear would act as a splash guard. Then the top filter would at least filter out anything that made it through into the actual airbox. While it would not be 100% waterproof, I believe that is about the best you could ever get without running an actual airbox lid.

Here is a link to the kn powerlid for those that may not know what it is. http://www.knfilters.com/powerlid.htm

[copperknot]

key word (FILLTER).just clean it from time to time.the time you spent with all of this you could have cleaned your fillter a million times.its that simple.you could get a snorkel kit to cure your complex.i think you placed the clay/water in there.if your homemade box is cathing all that you would be better off with out a box just a outerwear.think about it.

[Duster]

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnyboy

Mmmm all very interesting! cant believe that filter passed all that crap, I have just cut up a honda 400 foam filter, shortened it 40mm and reglued as it fits the FCI intake and I am going to test this to see just how much crap I can get in the FCI, I never see anything like that in my box and I damn sure the outerwears helps but not that much so hence the foam filter mod just to put this arguement to bed once and for all

Well... the filter passed dust initally like all K&N style light ply cotton filters do.

I oiled it with an oil that worked for stopping that dust.
The Maxima FAB-1 hit a home run on that.

However, the Oil was not waterproof as advertised... obviously.

Foam and cotton will both pass water if not oiled with an oil that repels water... and this stuff didn't...

[Duster]

Quote: Originally Posted by ish416

After seeing your setup, I was thinking that adding a KN Powerlid type setup to the top of your box along with an outerwear on both the internal filter and to the top of the powerlid. So then you would have water protection from the top down. If the powerlid got wet, hopefully the top outerwear would act as a splash guard. Then the top filter would at least filter out anything that made it through into the actual airbox. While it would not be 100% waterproof, I believe that is about the best you could ever get without running an actual airbox lid.

Here is a link to the kn powerlid for those that may not know what it is. K&N PowerLid for ATVs

Unfortunately it works, but it really doesn't when really tested...

What I mean is, the outerwears is water resistant so in a lot of situations it helps... but with what I can very easily get on top of these boxes will make it's way on in...

Once something gets on there, it just kinda settles the material enough to stay and puddle down... and then it starts to leach through into the box... same thing with the one on the filter.

So it makes it harder for things to get in, and slows it down.
But it don't stop it.


If it worked like that... none of us would need a box. But to address that since the one guy said I'd be better off... I've tested it, and what I have found is... mud sticks to the outerwear on the filter with no box...and the intake will draw the dirty water out of the mud through the outerwears and onto the filter.


Ahhh... anyways, I have came up with what I think is going to be a solution.
I just gotta spend more time working and less time riding to finish it up.

[Duster]

Quote: Originally Posted by bjohnson

key word (FILLTER).just clean it from time to time.the time you spent with all of this you could have cleaned your fillter a million times.its that simple.you could get a snorkel kit to cure your complex.i think you placed the clay/water in there.if your homemade box is cathing all that you would be better off with out a box just a outerwear.think about it.

What does filter cleaning have to do with it?

And for what it is worth, I had just cleaned it, oiled it with the oil I was checking out... and this was the first test run on it...


And why would I have placed that in my box, on my filter and let it suck into the tube.
That was close to a catastrophic engine disaster that I can't afford to fix right now.


There's no denying it. You can look at the splatter pattern and determine that if you spin in mud or water it goes right over the front of the box....